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Everything Is Inevitable

“The most important thing I learned on Tralfamadore was that when a person dies he only appears to die.  He is still very much alive in the past, so it is very silly for people to cry at his funeral.  All moments, past, present, and future, always have existed, always will exist.”

Been pretty much bathing in smelly old Vonnegut pages (basically all the books with 70’s style pop art with the big V on the front), and I can feel my brain melting some old, long-held dogmas.  My girlfriend and I have bitched at each other endlessly over many a topic - mostly it’s about some form of religious stuffings.  My angle was that I never believed in fate or destiny before, mostly because the words seem too loosely defined.  Most definitions imply someone or something is guiding an outcome, which I can’t really stomach.  Maybe we can scratch both words, and just call it inevitability.  The cause of my recent dogma shift is Vonnegut’s explanation of time - that maybe what we refer to as “now” is an illusion.

The quote from Slaughterhouse Five that has repeatedly comforted me through two of the most powerfully tragic events of my life - my best friend dying in a car accident at 16 and the damn towers i worked in crumbling (i watched both “events") - is an excerpt of a letter Billy Pilgrim writes addressed to the public about his new understanding of time (taught to him by alien abductors called Tralfamadorians):

“The most important thing I learned on Tralfamadore was that when a person dies he only appears to die.  He is still very much alive in the past, so it is very silly for people to cry at his funeral.  All moments, past, present, and future, always have existed, always will exist.  The Tralfamadorians can look at all the different moments just the way we can look at a stretch of the Rocky Mountains, for instance.  They can see how permanent all the moments are, and they can look at any moment that interests them.  It is just an illusion we have here on Earth that one moment follows another one, like beads on a string, and that once a moment is gone it is gone forever.

“When a Tralfamadorian sees a corpse, all he thinks is that the dead person is in bad condition in that particular moment, but that the same person is just fine in plenty of other moments.  Now, when I myself hear that somebody is dead, I simply shrug and say what the “Tralfamdorians say about dead people, which is ‘So it goes.’”

I could go on forever about this, but it seems rather likely to me that this is right...and if there is no “now”, there aren’t really decisions, just sets of conditions at any given “moment” in time and space that dictate what will happen - your character, your physiology, your relationships, the wind, the temperature, the air pressure, the house/apt you’re in, what you’re wearing, what you look like, what you’re eating, and on, and on, and on - all acting in concert to form only one possible outcome to an event.  It means everything is inevitable.

Sadly, and maybe it’s because I’m too impressionable, I can’t tell if I’m being intentionally manipulated by him, or if he really believes this stuff...either way, I’m upside down...and I love it…

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The People Have Spoken:

check out this article. time, in general, is an abstraction that makes living our lives in this world feasible. there is no physical law that states that time can only move forward. outside of getting to work “on time” and getting a reasonable amount of sleep, how you want to look at it is totally up to you.

from the article:
“Time, in this view, is not something that exists apart from the universe. There is no clock ticking outside the cosmos. Most of us tend to think of time the way Newton did: ‘Absolute, true and mathematical time, of itself, and from its own nature, flows equably, without regard to anything external.’ But as Einstein proved, time is part of the fabric of the universe. Contrary to what Newton believed, our ordinary clocks don’t measure something that’s independent of the universe. In fact, says Lloyd, clocks don’t really measure time at all.”

also, i haven’t read near the amount of vonnegut that you have, but i don’t think he ever wrote anything that he didn’t at least believe was possible. he wasn’t trying to “intentionally manipulate” anyone—just show them all possiblities.

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Adam | 15 Aug 2007 | 10:43 am

I love the idea of that.  It also reminds me of the idea that we’re seeing the light of stars long since dead and that the light of our sun and our flashlights etc will shine into the future long after we’re dead. 

Also, this morning I looked like a live person who was in bad condition at that particular moment.  Seriously, I had black eyes and hadn’t been punched.

Ch

Chip Nibbler | 16 Aug 2007 | 4:16 pm

Great stuff there, I have an awesome quote from that article you linked, but before I do...um...this would be quite a big friggin deal if it were true...so it must not be...a coulple German scientists claim they’ve broken the speed of light.

Ga

Gabe | 16 Aug 2007 | 4:17 pm

To Chip Nibbler’s comment, it’s the scary thing about pictures.  When those moments are captured, they’re a lot harder to forget.  I know muslims hate photographs…

This is a pretty amazing quote from Einstein lifted from the article Adam linked to:

Einstein, for one, found solace in his revolutionary sense of time. In March 1955, when his lifelong friend Michele Besso died, he wrote a letter consoling Besso’s family: “Now he has departed from this strange world a little ahead of me. That means nothing. People like us, who believe in physics, know that the distinction between past, present, and future is only a stubbornly persistent illusion.”

It’s nice to be able to find comforting feelings regarding death w/out having to mention the big G word…

Ga

Gabe | 16 Aug 2007 | 4:56 pm

What I’ve read about the speed of light thing is that it’s more of a quantum efffect (tunneling, whatever that is), than actually traveling faster than the speed of light. Seems kind of ridiculous that they’re claiming to have made photons (light) travel faster than the speed of light.

To me, this is more amazing.

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Adam | 17 Aug 2007 | 9:40 am

More about the speed of light “breakage”: arstechnica article. I obviously don’t understand much of what this says, but it sounds like it’s more of a parlor trick than a scientific experiment, at least in terms of breaking the speed of light.

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Adam | 17 Aug 2007 | 11:11 am

I figured that speed of light thing was bullshit.  That other article you linked is pretty heavy.  Would mean that the basic design of DNA, molecules, etc borrowed from the “life-like” helical properties of inorganic particles in plasma.  Trippy…

“...plasma conditions needed to form these helical structures are common in outer space. However, plasmas can also form under more down to earth conditions such as the point of a lightning strike. The researchers hint that perhaps an inorganic form of life emerged on the primordial earth, which then acted as the template for the more familiar organic molecules we know today.”
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I’m sort of buying that…

Ga

Gabe | 22 Aug 2007 | 2:52 pm

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